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A GUIDED TOUR OF VIDEOGAME MAKERY! Hosts Alex Seropian (founder Bungie, Wideload, Industrial Toys) and Aaron Marroquin (Art Director, Game Designer, part time magician) take you on a tour of the minds that create our favorite video games. We may also wander around in our own heads too. We aim to inspire, educate and entertain you about the games you love, the people that make them and hey, if you're not a gamer we know you know one. This will help you connect with them too.

Recent Episodes
  • Dead by Daylight’s Rémi Racine Bets on Himself
    Jun 11, 2025 – 01:07:43
  • Uncharted's Nolan North's Weird Ability to Yell
    Jun 4, 2025 – 01:16:07
  • Hogwarts Legacy's John Blackburn is Cool in the Arcade
    May 28, 2025 – 01:09:19
  • What Have You Got to Lose with Blizzard's Michael Morhaime
    May 21, 2025 – 01:13:02
  • The Sims' Bing Gordon is Specifically Right
    May 14, 2025 – 01:15:48
  • Portal's Kim Swift's Cake is Not a Lie
    May 7, 2025 – 01:15:49
  • The Blinding Flame of Red Dead's Christian Cantamessa
    Apr 30, 2025 – 01:21:15
  • Command and Conquer's Louis Castle's Triple Threat
    Apr 24, 2025 – 01:08:39
  • Tencent's Amir Satvat Flexes the Data Muscle for Good
    Apr 16, 2025 – 01:14:20
  • Outer Wilds' Alex Beachum's Cool Weird Emotional Prototypes
    Apr 9, 2025 – 01:12:11
  • The Maestro of Modding Sandi Montaño
    Apr 2, 2025 – 57:53
  • Exploding Kittens' Elan Lee Stacks the Deck
    Mar 26, 2025 – 01:12:28
  • Journey's Jenova Chen and the Art of the Positive Game
    Mar 19, 2025 – 01:16:39
  • Alex Irvine's Storytelling Secrets from Marvel Rivals and Beyond!
    Mar 12, 2025 – 01:10:52
  • Hope for the Future with Halo's Joe Staten
    Mar 5, 2025 – 01:22:53
  • Games Workshop's Ian Livingstone, Fantasy Knight in Real Life
    Feb 26, 2025 – 01:26:44
  • Best of 2024
    Feb 19, 2025 – 01:44:49
  • Ed Boon Gets into the Nitty-Gritty Metal
    Oct 23, 2024 – 01:11:16
  • From Pong to Deconstructor: Mishka Katkoff’s Global Gaming Journey
    Oct 16, 2024 – 01:11:59
  • Things Blow Up with Mike Pondsmith
    Oct 9, 2024 – 01:27:41
  • The Business Romance of Mihai Pohontu
    Oct 2, 2024 – 01:25:08
  • Warren Spector Gets the Keys to the Kingdom
    Sep 25, 2024 – 01:29:23
  • Ed Fries Races The Beam
    Sep 18, 2024 – 01:33:43
  • Frank Gibeau's Silver Bullets for Game Development
    Sep 11, 2024 – 01:13:38
  • Jordan Weisman Makes Stuff Up
    Sep 4, 2024 – 01:18:02
  • Harvey Smith Knows the Secret to Magical Games
    Aug 28, 2024 – 01:28:27
  • Behind the Headlines: Dean Takahashi’s Journey Through Gaming’s Biggest Stories
    Aug 21, 2024 – 01:02:10
  • Rod Fergusson Shakes The Jello
    Aug 14, 2024 – 01:20:26
  • Inside CD Projekt RED: Michal Nowakowski on The Witcher, Cyberpunk, and Gaming's Future
    Aug 7, 2024 – 01:17:04
  • Brian Reynolds Surrounds the Fun Part 2
    Jul 31, 2024 – 01:21:31
  • Brian Reynolds Surrounds the Fun Part 1
    Jul 24, 2024 – 01:24:28
  • From Gamer to Creator with Uri Marchand
    Jul 3, 2024 – 01:14:01
  • Mark DeLoura Leverages Games for More
    Jun 26, 2024 – 01:21:09
  • The Action Arcade Strategy of Shannon Loftis
    Jun 19, 2024 – 01:16:07
  • The Definition of Indie with Schmid and Kho
    Jun 12, 2024 – 39:50
  • The Conference
    Jun 5, 2024 – 56:50
  • How To Start A Game Studio
    May 29, 2024 – 57:38
  • Tim Morten's Giant Strategy
    May 22, 2024 – 01:09:58
  • Kristian Segestrale’s Midas Touch
    May 15, 2024 – 01:23:14
  • Up All Night with Ted Price
    May 8, 2024 – 01:20:04
  • Sharing a Vision with Paul and Katy Bettner
    May 1, 2024 – 01:25:49
  • Peter Moore Takes His Shot
    Apr 24, 2024 – 01:41:30
  • What Could Go Right with Mitch Lasky
    Apr 17, 2024 – 01:20:03
  • Jesse Schell Glimpses the Future
    Apr 10, 2024 – 01:19:30
  • Susan Cumming's Exceptional Track Record
    Apr 3, 2024 – 01:12:22
  • The Ars Technica of Lorne Lanning
    Mar 27, 2024 – 01:25:59
  • Tracing the Silhouette of Jordan Mechner
    Mar 20, 2024 – 01:18:54
  • Mike Wilson's Holy War
    Mar 13, 2024 – 01:23:14
  • Dennis Fong Improves the Internet
    Mar 6, 2024 – 01:11:13
  • Mastermind of God Games Peter Molyneux
    Feb 28, 2024 – 01:09:40
Recent Reviews
  • joecentric
    Presses all the right buttons!
    I can’t imagine stories like these are being collected anywhere else. Listening to the hosts and their excellent guests is like a Who’s Who of the recent age of video games. For those who remember it, listening to T4C gives me the same vibes I get from reading Levy’s “Hackers”.
  • cumulusguy
    Filling a Delightful Need
    For those of us that have *loved* games since we were wee lads and lasses… and have wondered about the behind the scenes innovators and journey-persons bringing these delightful experiences to us, Alex and his merry band of pirates are bringing those stories to our eyes and ears. I’m particularly delighted by the fact they are highlighting some of the games most formative to my love of the medium— from Marathon on the Mac (I *loved* that game and burned many hours on it with joy) to Plants vs Zombies (another that stole my heart and time)… it’s just… well… fun to listen to these stories. And ever so slightly envy-invoking. :-) Keep ‘em coming fellas!
  • Chuy629
    Best Behind the Scenes Podcast about Video Games
    If you love video games and want to listen to real and fun conversations on how they’re made and the interesting journey it takes you on, then listen to this podcast. Alex Seropian and Aaron Marroquín are legendary together, two veterans from the industry get together and have hilarious and entertaining conversations with their friends from the video game industry! It’s really awesome and refreshing to listen to the perspective and commentary about video games and how some of the titans and veterans of the industry got their start.
  • Wza
    The Best Gaming Pod
    It’s the storytelling about games we all know and love that sets this pod apart. Every week I get excited about the guest and the banter. The experience of the hosts adds the touch of authenticity that gaming pods need. It’s a must-listen every week.
  • cl7c
    :)
    Inside look from the OGs. Been in and around the industry myself but learning something new with each episode in an entertaining way. Love the care and thought put into the content as well.
  • Greybeard312
    Great guests great hosts!
    The show is great and they somehow get absolutely amazing guests from the video game industry to come talk with them. I love their stories from behind the scenes of the video game industry.
  • Zack CF
    Insightful and entertaining
    I can’t imagine a better way to explore why certain games have been so successful than to listen to an industry legend interview other industry legends about how their incredible creations came to be. Plus, of course, these interviews are filled with a lot of really entertaining stories. Great stuff!
  • jojo_jobeans
    My new favorite pod!
    So insightful and inspiring getting to “meet” the game developers. I’m a huge fan of Blizzard and the Bill Roper episode blew my mind!
  • friendly neighborhood reviewer
    Legends tell all
    This pod is amazing. You think you know the world of video games pretty well, and then you hear the devs behind some of the biggest ones in the world talk about their goofy hacks, brushes with death, their humble beginnings. Really sheds light on this gigantic industry. New weekly habit!
  • martytheelder
    Hope for the Future
    It’s ok so far…but I’m REALLY looking forward to future episodes.
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