What a great deep dive by an intelligent and good humored journalist into the astonishing thinking process of the unique Jerry Brown. Kudos to Scott Schaefer for sticking with this surely challenging project (hope Jerry learned something from you!). Jerry is improving with age, including his sense of humor. Highly recommend for the intelligence, historical perspective, political acumen, and yes, humor. My favorite podcast of all time. Would like this to be an occasional “check in with Jerry” to get his take on current events.